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Ebay "Fuel Savers"?
08-29-2007, 02:01 PM,
#1
Ebay "Fuel Savers"?
Do any of these actually work? I'm upgrading my air filter in my '90 Ranger and to my knowledge, it's a pretty good way of increasing HP and fuel economy. But I saw some Tornado thing on eBay that said it works like a turbocharger by forcing air into the cylinders. Was I right to think it was BS?

Also, there's this $10 "performance mod" that's supposed to give you an increase in 10-15 HP and 10 ft/lbs of torque.

Has anyone had any experience with these "gas savers" and is there something out there that actually works? Thanks.
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08-29-2007, 02:05 PM,
#2
 
Go with a K&N air filter. million mile warranty, More HP and well worth the money. everything else is BS. For better fuel economy go easy when you drive, change oil often, and keep your engine clean.
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08-29-2007, 02:36 PM,
#3
 
Forget the Tornado, you're right, it's BS. If you want to really improve your gas mileage head over to http://gassavers.org/ and start reading. Wink
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08-29-2007, 02:47 PM,
#4
 
HAHAHA funny site. i find it funny how your on a drift simulation site and your looking to get better MPG. just get a motorcycle. my dads STOCK 1999 Honda VT750 shadow get about 85 MPG highway. and it can really pull. (soon i'm putting on some nice vance and hines pipes and a hypercharger. also will re-jet the carb. i expect 70-75 mpg but oh the fun will make up for it. or for infinite miles to the gallon... get a bicycle or walk!
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08-29-2007, 03:10 PM,
#5
 
Good air filter (read K&N) = good for 1 - 5 mpg depending on the application.

Otherwise, if you want better milage, keep the car in good shape, and don't drive like you stole it.

Want good milage? Get a diesel.
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08-29-2007, 03:50 PM,
#6
 
lmao get a diesel. i already said that keeping it in good condition is good for it. also if possible reduce wind resistance. this can be done by removing spoilers and not having the windows open. also smaller wheels are easier to turn then larger wheels so to save gas take off your offroading tires that you go mudding in... or if your not into mudding then change from snow tires to normal tires in the spring summer and fall.
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08-29-2007, 10:08 PM,
#7
Re: Ebay "Fuel Savers"?
QNev Wrote:Do any of these actually work? I'm upgrading my air filter in my '90 Ranger and to my knowledge, it's a pretty good way of increasing HP and fuel economy. But I saw some Tornado thing on eBay that said it works like a turbocharger by forcing air into the cylinders. Was I right to think it was BS?

Also, there's this $10 "performance mod" that's supposed to give you an increase in 10-15 HP and 10 ft/lbs of torque.

Has anyone had any experience with these "gas savers" and is there something out there that actually works? Thanks.

I remember they tried a bunch of "gas saver" type products from the internet on mythbusters. All of them either didn't do anything or decreased fuel economy.
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08-30-2007, 12:18 AM,
#8
 
I remember that episode of myth busters. just go with the things that seem legit and stay on the safe side.
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08-30-2007, 12:59 AM,
#9
 
Here's my short list of how to improve your gas mileage. Ranked from biggest difference to smallest. Use at your own risk. Your mileage may vary (literally).
* Drive a manual.
* Drive like grandma - accelerate slowly and don't go over the speed limit. Also, avoid idling, coast to stop lights instead of accelerating to them and stopping right before you get there. Try to stay as much as possible in low RPMs, in high gears. 5th gear is your gas saver gear. Use it from 45 MPH up.
* Coast. If you know that the next half-mile or more will be downhill, get up to speed, put it in neutral and turn your engine off. (Note that your power brakes and power steering will not work, don't do this in heavy traffic!) When you start back up, don't use the starter, put it in 4th or 5th gear and let the clutch out. When coasting with the engine on, leave the car in gear, most cars will cut the fuel, while in neutral it goes back to idle, which does not cut the fuel.
* Inflate your tires to 50-60 psi. Your tires will not blow up. The manufacturers recommend 35 psi for a softer ride but higher pressure is actually safer and will reduce rolling resistance. Check your tire pressure regularly, and rotate your tires regularly.
* Make sure you have a good alignment. Get an alignment at least every time you get a new set of tires, possibly more often if you drive on a lot of bumpy roads or drive hard.
* Make sure you have a good air filter. A clogged one will impede a little. A high-flow filter will give you a very slight, probably unnoticeable change.
* Make sure your O2 sensor is working. The ECU responds to a bad O2 sensor by dumping more fuel.
* Use a lighter synthetic oil. Often if your car requires 10w30 you can get probably away with syn 5w30 or even 0w30 (the latter is expensive though). Don't bother if your car burns oil. Don't do this until you read up on oil and get an oil pressure gauge.
* Obvious aero improvements. Remove roof racks you don't use. Get an interior antenna for your radio and remove the exterior one. If you race your car, keep your spoiler, otherwise, delete it (if anything get one of those neat little "lips" that just barely sticks up off the edge of your trunk because they look so awesome).
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08-30-2007, 01:20 AM,
#10
 
Good advice thelusiv! I prefer manual over an automatic but my first car is going to be an automatic (my uncles 60,000 dollar lexus) but i will probably end up selling it and buying a VW Golf GTi and Tuning that. and later on in life a '69 vette stingray in candy blue. i adore that car. will keep it stock though. I'm 14 and i can drive a stick already Big Grin Big Grin . (new how to drive an automatic at 8 years old, stick at 12 & a 1/2) I am not joking. and my dad assessed me with the actual driving test and said i would pass. and hes never failed a driving test in his life. once i drove my uncles lexus in traffic in new york. and he said i did really good. and i must have for him to trust me in his lexus! and i can go on forever talking about cars Tongue Tongue so im going to stop.
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08-30-2007, 08:43 AM,
#11
 
thelusiv Wrote:* Inflate your tires to 50-60 psi. Your tires will not blow up. The manufacturers recommend 35 psi for a softer ride but higher pressure is actually safer and will reduce rolling resistance. Check your tire pressure regularly, and rotate your tires regularly.

Do what you want to do here, but over inflation can cause abnormal tire wear, which is to say, it will tend to bow the center of the tire out on the tread patch, resulting in the middle wearing bald while there is still tread on the shoulders of the tire.
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08-30-2007, 08:51 AM,
#12
 
Pretty much nailed it - am I able to pick nits without coming off like an @$$? Big Grin

thelusiv Wrote:* Drive a manual.

Back in the day this was true but not so much any more. Between a lock up torque converter and 4+ speeds in the automatic transmission some auto vehicles are rated better than their manual counterparts.

Quote:* Coast. If you know that the next half-mile or more will be downhill, get up to speed, put it in neutral and turn your engine off. (Note that your power brakes and power steering will not work, don't do this in heavy traffic!) When you start back up, don't use the starter, put it in 4th or 5th gear and let the clutch out. When coasting with the engine on, leave the car in gear, most cars will cut the fuel, while in neutral it goes back to idle, which does not cut the fuel.

Hmm, not a fan of turning off the engine for the safety reasons noted. Maybe if we were living in a post-apocalyptic "Mad Max" world (hmm, new car for vdrift?) I could get behind this. Couple of points:

* some people are complete spazzes
* coasting without power assist for brakes and/or steering gets the typical spaz in trouble
* putting a car in gear to restart an engine at speed with get the typical spaz in trouble
* A spaz using the techniques above will likely loose any savings through the fuel consumed by the emergency vehicles required to pull his car from the ditch and/or shuttle him to hospital.

Smile

Quote:* Inflate your tires to 50-60 psi. Your tires will not blow up. The manufacturers recommend 35 psi for a softer ride but higher pressure is actually safer and will reduce rolling resistance. Check your tire pressure regularly, and rotate your tires regularly.

Yep, to a point. If you were really anal you'd chalk the tires for wear indication and note the differences in economy between say 45psi vs 55psi and make a judgement call. The tires do work better at higher than OEM suggested values - that's why auto-cross guys will bump up their tire pressures 5-10 psi (Depending on car). OEM rating is based on ride comfort.

Quote:* Make sure you have a good air filter. A clogged one will impede a little. A high-flow filter will give you a very slight, probably unnoticeable change.

Some poeple mentioned using a K&N. I'm not a fan of these filters because they do not filter as well as a normal, quality filter. The cost in fuel is effectively deferred to the new engine that is needed sooner. Now, that said, a K&N used on a Jeep versus a track car is two different things. For the record, I've used many K&N filters over the years - it's your call on what is important. For a "normal" car, change the paper filter often (juxtapose cost against extra fuel).

Quote:* Make sure your O2 sensor is working. The ECU responds to a bad O2 sensor by dumping more fuel.

This alone is worth having a car with OBD-II - it'll tell you if your O2(s) is bad.

Quote:* Use a lighter synthetic oil. Often if your car requires 10w30 you can get probably away with syn 5w30 or even 0w30 (the latter is expensive though). Don't bother if your car burns oil. Don't do this until you read up on oil and get an oil pressure gauge.

Very important points above. Don't do it on an old vehicle (oil leaks), depending on the car changing grade may not be a good idea - research the hell out of it before doing. Some engines run really hot and/or have marginal oiling systems - stick with mfg rec'ed grades for those cars. Some (most?) mfgs will have synth recs in the manual.

FWIW, when I drive my Cherokee (4.0 tractor engine, 4 speed OD auto w/ TCC) like a grandma I get around 550 km per tank. When I drive "spiritedly" I am lucky to break to get to 490 km per tank. That's a considerable difference. Now my `07 Civic, it seems to get 50 mpg (UK gal) regardless of how I drive it. Isn't technology grand? I've been using a lot of fuel in the S2000, but then I've been auto-crossing and generally beating on it since the novelty hasn't worn off yet.
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08-30-2007, 09:18 AM,
#13
 
You have a good point reece. also i wouldn't recommend turning off the engine with power steering/brakes. I've done it MANY times on a manual with neither of these and just used 4th to start back up (slower diesel jeep).

How to get 100+MPG on ANY car or truck.

1. Remove all the weight you possibly can (seats radio etc)
2. Get good shoes
3. Put vehicle in neutral
4. Go behind your vehicle
5. Push

CAUTION: DO NOT START PUSHING UPHILL! SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH MAY OCCUR
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08-30-2007, 03:43 PM,
#14
 
cotharyus Wrote:Do what you want to do here, but over inflation can cause abnormal tire wear, which is to say, it will tend to bow the center of the tire out on the tread patch, resulting in the middle wearing bald while there is still tread on the shoulders of the tire.
Yeah that can happen, it really depends on the tire you're using and how you drive. I recommend starting out slightly above recommended pressure and working your way up to something that feels OK and watch your tires for abnormal wear. If you find yourself going through tires really quickly then obviously something is wrong.

reece146 Wrote:Back in the day this was true but not so much any more. Between a lock up torque converter and 4+ speeds in the automatic transmission some auto vehicles are rated better than their manual counterparts.
For the old cars I drive (10-20 years old) this is still true. The manuals are almost always rated at 5-6 mpg better from the factory specs than the automatics. There's always a little time during shifts though where there's slippage and in a manual you can control it, but in most automatics you can't, and you're going to waste a little power there. It's not much, but another point is that with an auto it's harder to use some of the other techniques to improve your mileage.

reece146 Wrote:Hmm, not a fan of turning off the engine for the safety reasons noted. Maybe if we were living in a post-apocalyptic "Mad Max" world (hmm, new car for vdrift?) I could get behind this. Couple of points:
Yeah it's not the safest way I agree. You've got to use your own discretion when it comes to this. I know my route to work very well, I know the blind areas and potential hazards and I can prepare myself for them. I am also not a spaz. Wink If you decide to try engine-off-coasting you better know what you're doing and getting into first.

reece146 Wrote:Some poeple mentioned using a K&N. I'm not a fan of these filters because they do not filter as well as a normal, quality filter.
Another argument against a K&N is that they're damn expensive. But one positive to them is that you can clean them when they get dirty and continue using them instead of just throwing them away and buying another. So performance is not the only reason to get a K&N.

reece146 Wrote:This alone is worth having a car with OBD-II - it'll tell you if your O2(s) is bad.
Not everyone has that choice, switching out your entire wiring harness, distributor, and more is often not worth the miniscule power gains you get from an OBDII conversion (my car is OBD0!) so you have to work with what you've got. Personally I got the hint that mine was bad when I was constantly smelling fuel in my exhaust.

reece146 Wrote:Very important points above. Don't do it on an old vehicle (oil leaks), depending on the car changing grade may not be a good idea - research the hell out of it before doing. Some engines run really hot and/or have marginal oiling systems - stick with mfg rec'ed grades for those cars. Some (most?) mfgs will have synth recs in the manual.
Check out http://bobistheoilguy.com/ for more detailed info on oils. Lots of knowledgeable folks on the forum there.
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08-30-2007, 11:20 PM,
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thelusiv Wrote:* Coast. If you know that the next half-mile or more will be downhill, get up to speed, put it in neutral and turn your engine off. (Note that your power brakes and power steering will not work, don't do this in heavy traffic!) When you start back up, don't use the starter, put it in 4th or 5th gear and let the clutch out. When coasting with the engine on, leave the car in gear, most cars will cut the fuel, while in neutral it goes back to idle, which does not cut the fuel.

From what I've read, leaving the car in gear and coasting with the engine on uses very little fuel -- to me, the savings you get by turning the car off isn't worth it.

In general I just try to avoid braking as much as safely possible -- braking is wasted energy; instead anticipate stops well in advance and coast. Slow down quite a bit if the traffic light ahead is red... hopefully it'll turn green by the time you get there, and you won't have to dump energy into the brakes and then waste more energy accelerating again.
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