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collision code
08-20-2007, 04:28 PM,
#1
collision code
there is something very wrong with the collision detection code but i am not really sure how to debug it. i am working on suzuka and on the main straight the car jumps around for no reason whatsoever. i made a recording, you can see it here:

http://caliban.lbl.gov/vdrift/2.vdr

(and it's also a preview of suzuka which i'll commit once we work out these collision bugs.) is there a way of showing the forces on the car or something like that?

--alex--
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08-20-2007, 05:31 PM,
#2
 
I wrote - http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=710 -

Quote:Remove the glitches in some tracks.
My idea: a kind of telemetrie, get some physical data in diagramms ( position, speed, travel ... )! This would help to develop better car-physics.
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08-21-2007, 04:17 AM,
#3
 
Would it be possible to switch between wireframe and textured view of a track? Maybe theres really something on the track just without a texture.
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08-21-2007, 09:57 AM,
#4
 
xTs Wrote:Would it be possible to switch between wireframe and textured view of a track? Maybe theres really something on the track just without a texture.

i made everything non-collideable and then tried driving on the traced road only but you get the same behaviour. so i don't think there is anything on the track that one can't see...

--alex--
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08-21-2007, 11:17 AM,
#5
 
I've been looking into these issues, which appear on all of the tracks. From the tests I did, it's not related to the collision code. I commented it all out as a test and replaced it with simple code to represent an infinite flat plane... and the problems were still there. If you load up laguna seca and, from the start position, turns slowly to the right, there's a certain angle at which your car starts behaving very oddly, like the suspension is stuck on two of the wheels or something. The area of laguna seca where your car goes crazy (under the bridge/on the straight after the cork screw, as noted here: http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=765) happens to be at this angle, and I think this bug is causing the bumps there. I'm still looking into it, but some sort of telemetry data wouldn't be a bad idea....
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08-21-2007, 12:16 PM,
#6
 
joevenzon Wrote:there's a certain angle at which your car starts behaving very oddly, like the suspension is stuck on two of the wheels or something.

maybe the problem is with the vamos physics code. some of this has been reworked in the newer versions of vamos. i've been meaning to work on the vdrift/vamos interface, to actually separate the code and only have vamos classes derived from vdrift ones so it would be possible to link against the vamos libraries only.

--alex--
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08-23-2007, 12:54 AM,
#7
 
That would be handy, but probably a lot of work. Another option (but even more work) would be to re-write vamos -- now that we use ODE, it shouldn't be impossibly hard....
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08-23-2007, 05:03 AM,
#8
 
I drove in reverse direction and different speeds over some of the known bumps (especially Dijon, starting position in Spa) and there is nothing!
May be this can help.

(There was never any bump or other problem in Laguna Seca for me?)

2007-03-23 release, Mac PPC
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08-23-2007, 09:36 AM,
#9
 
joevenzon Wrote:That would be handy, but probably a lot of work. Another option (but even more work) would be to re-write vamos -- now that we use ODE, it shouldn't be impossibly hard....

tell me about it. every time i started i gave up because of the amount of work involved.

--alex--
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08-23-2007, 09:39 AM,
#10
 
cologne Wrote:I drove in reverse direction and different speeds over some of the known bumps (especially Dijon, starting position in Spa) and there is nothing!
May be this can help.

same thing at suzuka. for all the car going nuts the right way, there is absolutely no problem going in the reverse direction. i did a few more tests at suzuka, the way the car behaves it almost looks like there are holes in the road, the front wheels drop through the asphalt and then the car bounces back up. truly weird.

--alex--
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08-23-2007, 09:59 AM,
#11
 
Quote: ...it almost looks like there are holes in the road...

You know "Simulacron-3" ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_F._Galouye

There are no holes, the simulated world disappears for a moment because the computers are too slow.... :-)
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08-23-2007, 08:07 PM,
#12
 
With laguna seca going backward is no problem, which is why I think the problem has nothing to do with the track and is just related to how the car behaves when you put it at a certain angle. Try just turning in a big slow 360 degree circle and see if the car does anything weird.
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08-24-2007, 03:25 AM,
#13
 
The bumps are not speed dependend. Only the reaction is car dependend.

The Dijon-bump after the first S downhill is very different. Sometime you didn.t feel it. It´s hard to repeat the identical effect. May be it´s depends on the angel.

All other - me known - bumps lay in curves and you hit them everytime with nearly the same angel.

But some tracks doesn´t have any bump! So it should be a combination of track mash and car movement?
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08-29-2007, 04:33 PM,
#14
Re: collision code
alex25 Wrote:preview of suzuka which i'll commit once we work out these collision bugs.

the bugs are still there, but i managed to find a mesh that's better behaved so i committed the track to svn. and maybe the more people play with the track, the better the chances of finding the bugs. enjoy.

--alex--
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