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3D Models Proposal
06-29-2007, 07:41 PM,
#16
 
joevenzon Wrote:Ooh, yeah, an E36 would be great. If we could get an original E36, that could be our spotlight car, and reece could get us photos of the interior, sounds, etc etc. :-)

Not a problem - being the anal type of guy I am I have a couple thousand images of the E36 as part of my pre-purchase research. Big Grin

If there is a detail image of anything required I'm fairly certain I have it.

Hmm, I need to see if I have 3 views somewhere...
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08-17-2007, 03:52 PM,
#17
 
Holy crap I've been having a hard time buying a car this summer. I swear, if it wasn't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all. Sorry I haven't been doing the stuff I said I would - hope to correct soon.

Anyway, I have a S2000 in the garage to take measurements and I have started auto-crossing with the local club. Next weekend will be first time out with the S. Soooo, hopefully I can dig into modifying/correcting the model of the XS. Currently the XS model has the tail come around much too easily.

I also may be able to get a CAD drawing of the auto-cross patch we use at Scotia Bank Place if any one would like to bring it into vdrift.

What is the status of the 3D model for the XS wrt vdrift - is it a GPL'able model?

Things are mellowing out in other parts of my life too so the Impreza will be back on the front burner as well - if I can find my sheet with all the nunbers on it.
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08-17-2007, 09:01 PM,
#18
 
reece146 Wrote:What is the status of the 3D model for the XS wrt vdrift - is it a GPL'able model?

Yep! In fact, it was made by Chris Guirl (aka thelusiv).
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08-17-2007, 09:21 PM,
#19
 
joevenzon Wrote:
reece146 Wrote:What is the status of the 3D model for the XS wrt vdrift - is it a GPL'able model?

Yep! In fact, it was made by Chris Guirl (aka thelusiv).

Coolio!
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08-27-2007, 01:33 PM,
#20
 
Legality of using the likeness of a Honda S2000 is still somewhat questionable.
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08-27-2007, 11:41 PM,
#21
 
Okay, but it's your model so we can tweak it to make it look slightly less like an S2000 if we want.
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08-28-2007, 12:09 AM,
#22
 
I've thought of that, but the issue I see is that it will end up transforming into a different car, which I would never be happy with the looks on, so might as well just start over. I mean it's not like it's the best driving car we have either.
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08-28-2007, 08:53 AM,
#23
 
FWIW, what I was hoping was to have two versions of the XS: an AP1 (2000-2003) and a AP2 (2004-2008). They each have noticeable changes in handling characteristics and engine. The current XS as it is drawn is an AP2.

There are about 5-6 "XS" in my local club and I'm friendly with both AP1 and AP2 drivers so getting measurments and such would be no big deal. I have an AP1 myself...

Anyway, just throwing that out there.

IMO, I think we should worry less about action from Honda wrt the XS model than say using a non-GPL model of a real car (i.e. lifted from a commercial game or whatever). thelusiv has drawn the car from scratch, I say that is good enough. We'll just be ricers and debadge it so there are no issues. Smile It makes me wonder how many adverts that feature a car in them have gone through the hoops of contacting the manufacturer for "clearance".

If a lawyer contacts the project then we can re-visit and potentially make the car look different. As for the dynamic model, it is way too "off" to be considered an "industrial simulator grade" model so I can't see the issue. Yes it is based on a real car but then so what? I don't think we'll eer get close enough for them to prove that we copied something or similar - VAMOS is good but not that good.

Btw, all-season tires on an S2k at an auto-cross really suck. LOL

I've got an idea about "double VAMOS" that I'll post later.
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08-28-2007, 10:56 AM,
#24
 
Reece, you have an awesome car. I don't suppose you've heard about the Club Racer version coming out soon? Even different suspension from the original two versions. The XS in game is closer to the AP2 because I like those better personally. At least, in terms of the numbers I could find and use, and the model itself, I followed the AP2 where I was able to.

My worry is less about Honda (what do they care about some little free game - they haven't dealt any action against Racer which one could argue has enjoyed more popularity than VDrift), and more about people like the Debian folks who are going to want to know for sure that the cars are legal for distribution. I imagine someone flagging the data as suspect for this reason...on the other hand, TORCS is distributed through Debian and other distributions without complaint (so far as I've seen) and it even includes the names of many cars.

I just want to make sure that the car we decide to distribute covers our ass legally in every possible respect so we don't have any more hangups trying to distribute the game. We can always distribute more games to users after they have the game through a data manager app.
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08-28-2007, 11:16 AM,
#25
 
thelusiv Wrote:Reece, you have an awesome car. I don't suppose you've heard about the Club Racer version coming out soon? Even different suspension from the original two versions. The XS in game is closer to the AP2 because I like those better personally. At least, in terms of the numbers I could find and use, and the model itself, I followed the AP2 where I was able to.

Yeah, the CR is pretty cool. If I wanted a dedicated track toy that's what I'd have for certain. I got my MY2000 about two weeks ago and have been tickled pink with it so far. The F20C soundtrack is awesome. Smile

Truly, the difference between an AP1 and an AP2 is hair splitting. I'd take any of them in an instant. They are noticable differences though, provided you don't have a "numb bum". The general rule of thumb for S2k shopping is the standard "find the best car you can afford". They are all good with little subtleties.

Quote:My worry is less about Honda (what do they care about some little free game - they haven't dealt any action against Racer which one could argue has enjoyed more popularity than VDrift), and more about people like the Debian folks who are going to want to know for sure that the cars are legal for distribution. I imagine someone flagging the data as suspect for this reason...on the other hand, TORCS is distributed through Debian and other distributions without complaint (so far as I've seen) and it even includes the names of many cars.

I just want to make sure that the car we decide to distribute covers our ass legally in every possible respect so we don't have any more hangups trying to distribute the game. We can always distribute more games to users after they have the game through a data manager app.

I understand/agree 100%.

My $0.02...

I still say that since you did the car from scratch it should be good enough. Keep it de-badged and don't say what it is in the .car file - or say something like "loosely based upon a MY200x Honda S2000" in the comments.

The realitiy is that you can't satisfy some of the licensing zealots regardless of what you do. The next thing will be that you can't use a made up car because the original sketches were saved in a proprietary file format like JPEG or something. Yes, I'm being facetious/ridiculous, just wish some of the zealots would say same.

If say Debian (or whomever) want to not include the package because of some imaginary licensing issue then they are just hurting themselves and their users. There's better things to worry about with this project. Really, vdrift is easy enough to install without a package manager.

We need to be realistic about the product that we are trying to distribute. Car people want to drive "real cars", not some made up thing with no "history".

Anyway, just my spin. Take it for what it's worth (flush, circular file, cherry pick, whatever). Smile
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08-28-2007, 03:18 PM,
#26
 
Yeah good point on the unsatisfiable licensing zealots. However we are at their mercy to a degree for getting VDrift into a lot of people's hands through their packaging system, which will aid its inclusion in various Linux gaming CDs and other collections, which we've been missing out on so far.

You make a good point on sketches. I should start designing a bland/generic car by hand and go from there. That would definitely get the creative juices flowing better than trying to start from the model.

The idea with this car will be to duplicate the handling characteristics of the best drifting cars, also be a competitive race car, and not look bad.

I agree that we need realistic cars because that's what everyone will want. Don't forget though, one of the most popular underground PC racing games is Live For Speed, which has no "real" cars at all, all fictional ones. I think we can come up with something that can establish its own mini history and unique style that will appeal to people who grab the game to try it out, and they can use the data manager (when it's finished) to get more realistic cars supported by the community. That satisfies the licensing zealots and lawyers as well as lets our users get the cars they love from "real life". Wink
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08-28-2007, 08:12 PM,
#27
 
That sounds like a plan. I would say, one of the most popular drifters is the Viper. It shouldn't be too hard to make something that looks as sick as a viper, but is completely different. It's all about power to weight.
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