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Tire force combining review
09-27-2016, 12:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-27-2016, 12:57 PM by NaN.)
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RE: Tire force combining review
Here is something interesting.

Pacejkas formula uses a linear approximation for the friction coefficient
mu = c1 * fz + c0

I've asked myself how mu(fz) would look like with the contact patch model (using the empiric equations for tire stiffness and conact length and assuming mu ~ pressure^(-1/3))

[Image: 2zzhv7s.jpg]
Blue curve 200mm wide tire
Red curve 275mm wide tire
Green linear approximation

Both curves have a steep increase at low loads < 1.5kN. This is mostly due to me using a constant contact width model I think. In reality contact width drops rapidly at low tire loads.

What you see is that the linear approximation is actually pretty good. Another observation is that the red curve segment (2-5kN) looks pretty much like the blue segment shifted vertically. The shift factor between them is 8%.

This means that the 275mm tire would have about 8% more grip than the 200mm tire. I'll try adding this tire geometry correction factor to vdrift to see how much effect it has. Might be a simple solution to the rwd sports cars rear grip problem.
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Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-08-2016, 10:01 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-08-2016, 10:02 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-08-2016, 12:45 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-08-2016, 01:07 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-12-2016, 04:36 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by nomoo - 01-13-2016, 04:31 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-13-2016, 06:02 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-16-2016, 11:07 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 01-21-2016, 12:05 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by arturo - 01-24-2016, 07:52 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 02-06-2016, 01:36 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 05-15-2016, 10:13 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 05-15-2016, 12:30 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 05-18-2016, 10:36 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 05-25-2016, 05:27 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 05-29-2016, 09:46 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 05-29-2016, 03:36 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 05-31-2016, 01:34 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-03-2016, 04:05 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-03-2016, 04:28 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-03-2016, 04:32 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-05-2016, 10:33 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-07-2016, 02:25 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-09-2016, 09:57 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-11-2016, 09:00 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by arturo - 06-12-2016, 04:54 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-13-2016, 11:00 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-13-2016, 03:58 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 06-18-2016, 04:59 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 07-01-2016, 10:09 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 07-01-2016, 03:51 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 07-03-2016, 11:03 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 07-09-2016, 08:35 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by CrystalH - 07-11-2016, 01:32 PM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 07-13-2016, 11:07 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 08-04-2016, 10:03 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 08-09-2016, 10:14 AM
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RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 09-13-2016, 11:17 AM
RE: Tire force combining review - by NaN - 09-19-2016, 09:34 AM
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RE: Tire force combining review - by colin78 - 08-21-2018, 01:08 PM
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RE: Tire force combining review - by colin78 - 08-22-2018, 06:48 AM
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