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Building tracks
08-10-2006, 03:59 PM,
#1
Building tracks
Hy guys,

I know that with the new track system all tracks are conversions. I'm currently building the Daytona superspeedway with all buildings etc for Vdrift. I have a few questions I hope that somebody can answer.

1 units: When I build a car in blender every blender plane is 1 meter. If I was to build a racetrack and it has a long straight of about 1.2 miles (Daytona) then I just doesn't fit into blender. So shoud I just build a track on scale of 1:50 for example?

2: Do I make the track as 1 total model like a body of a car, I mean that if I go into edit mode everything is the same object?

3: Do we have a approximate of how many faces I can use for a track?

4: How do I import the track to Vdrift? Like a car? Just export with the export script as one file? Put it in a track folder and try to run it?

5: Do I have to do something else so it will work right with Vdrift?

Anyway if not all answers are there I don't mind I'll just finish the track and then we can test incorporating original tracks into Vdrift.
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08-10-2006, 03:59 PM,
#2
Building tracks
Hy guys,

I know that with the new track system all tracks are conversions. I'm currently building the Daytona superspeedway with all buildings etc for Vdrift. I have a few questions I hope that somebody can answer.

1 units: When I build a car in blender every blender plane is 1 meter. If I was to build a racetrack and it has a long straight of about 1.2 miles (Daytona) then I just doesn't fit into blender. So shoud I just build a track on scale of 1:50 for example?

2: Do I make the track as 1 total model like a body of a car, I mean that if I go into edit mode everything is the same object?

3: Do we have a approximate of how many faces I can use for a track?

4: How do I import the track to Vdrift? Like a car? Just export with the export script as one file? Put it in a track folder and try to run it?

5: Do I have to do something else so it will work right with Vdrift?

Anyway if not all answers are there I don't mind I'll just finish the track and then we can test incorporating original tracks into Vdrift.
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08-10-2006, 04:28 PM,
#3
Re: Building tracks
kcid Wrote:I know that with the new track system all tracks are conversions. I'm currently building the Daytona superspeedway with all buildings etc for Vdrift. I have a few questions I hope that somebody can answer.
I'm glad you're doing this, I've been meaning to make a track so this can be done, and haven't had time yet.
kcid Wrote:1 units: When I build a car in blender every blender plane is 1 meter. If I was to build a racetrack and it has a long straight of about 1.2 miles (Daytona) then I just doesn't fit into blender. So shoud I just build a track on scale of 1:50 for example?
You can build it at whatever size you want, but before you export it, you must scale it back to "real life" size. I think that Blender should be able to let you deal with a model that large, but I don't know, I haven't tried.
kcid Wrote:2: Do I make the track as 1 total model like a body of a car, I mean that if I go into edit mode everything is the same object?
Joe can elaborate on this, but as I understand it each object gets its own single texture. You probably don't want to be confined to one 512x512 square for the entire track! So break things down into separate objects as it seems logical to do. For instance one building could be one model, unless it has some really detailed texture needs.
kcid Wrote:3: Do we have a approximate of how many faces I can use for a track?
Hmm, I'm not sure about this one, I'd estimate though something under 20K polys is reasonable.
kcid Wrote:4: How do I import the track to Vdrift? Like a car? Just export with the export script as one file? Put it in a track folder and try to run it?
You'll export each of your objects to a .joe file and then load them into the track editor where you can then set up the roadway, start point, etc. You'll also need to use the listedit utility to help set up which objects are collidable and not, set which objects are skyboxes; and joepack the models into a collection file.
kcid Wrote:5: Do I have to do something else so it will work right with Vdrift?
Look at the Racer track importing guide for a quick description of the track editor and related tools.
kcid Wrote:Anyway if not all answers are there I don't mind I'll just finish the track and then we can test incorporating original tracks into Vdrift.
That's fine Smile You can get the track editor and associated utilities from SVN, let us know if you need any help using it.
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08-10-2006, 04:28 PM,
#4
Re: Building tracks
kcid Wrote:I know that with the new track system all tracks are conversions. I'm currently building the Daytona superspeedway with all buildings etc for Vdrift. I have a few questions I hope that somebody can answer.
I'm glad you're doing this, I've been meaning to make a track so this can be done, and haven't had time yet.
kcid Wrote:1 units: When I build a car in blender every blender plane is 1 meter. If I was to build a racetrack and it has a long straight of about 1.2 miles (Daytona) then I just doesn't fit into blender. So shoud I just build a track on scale of 1:50 for example?
You can build it at whatever size you want, but before you export it, you must scale it back to "real life" size. I think that Blender should be able to let you deal with a model that large, but I don't know, I haven't tried.
kcid Wrote:2: Do I make the track as 1 total model like a body of a car, I mean that if I go into edit mode everything is the same object?
Joe can elaborate on this, but as I understand it each object gets its own single texture. You probably don't want to be confined to one 512x512 square for the entire track! So break things down into separate objects as it seems logical to do. For instance one building could be one model, unless it has some really detailed texture needs.
kcid Wrote:3: Do we have a approximate of how many faces I can use for a track?
Hmm, I'm not sure about this one, I'd estimate though something under 20K polys is reasonable.
kcid Wrote:4: How do I import the track to Vdrift? Like a car? Just export with the export script as one file? Put it in a track folder and try to run it?
You'll export each of your objects to a .joe file and then load them into the track editor where you can then set up the roadway, start point, etc. You'll also need to use the listedit utility to help set up which objects are collidable and not, set which objects are skyboxes; and joepack the models into a collection file.
kcid Wrote:5: Do I have to do something else so it will work right with Vdrift?
Look at the Racer track importing guide for a quick description of the track editor and related tools.
kcid Wrote:Anyway if not all answers are there I don't mind I'll just finish the track and then we can test incorporating original tracks into Vdrift.
That's fine Smile You can get the track editor and associated utilities from SVN, let us know if you need any help using it.
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08-10-2006, 09:42 PM,
#5
 
kcid Wrote:1 units: When I build a car in blender every blender plane is 1 meter. If I was to build a racetrack and it has a long straight of about 1.2 miles (Daytona) then I just doesn't fit into blender. So shoud I just build a track on scale of 1:50 for example?

Make sure that prior to exporting the track, 1 blender unit is 1 meter. 1.2 miles is about 2000 meters... I would be very surprised if blender can't handle that.

kcid Wrote:2: Do I make the track as 1 total model like a body of a car, I mean that if I go into edit mode everything is the same object?

No, don't make the whole track the same object. Break up the track into separate objects in a way that makes sense (i.e. a single object for a single tree). In addition, break up any large objects that A) take up a lot of space and B) have a lot of polys (more than a few hundred) into multiple objects, and break them up based on the location. For example, if you have a huge curvy road with thousands of faces, break it down into several smaller objects a few hundred meters at a time. The reason for doing all of this is because it will improve performance. VDrift does view frustum culling per object, which means that it doesn't draw objects that the camera isn't looking at. If the camera sees any part of the object, though, it draws the whole thing -- that's why you don't want a lot of big objects with lots of polygons; because you'll end up drawing the whole thing even if the camera is only looking at a small part of it. There are no limitations on the number of objects you break things down into, and VDrift can handle up to about 10,000 objects before you lose the performance advantage. Also note that only one texture can be assigned to each object (UV-mapped like with cars), but different objects can share the same texture.

kcid Wrote:3: Do we have a approximate of how many faces I can use for a track?

For a fast track, try to keep under 10K or 20K faces on the screen at any time. For the whole track I'd say keep it under 100K faces. These are just guesses; I'll try to get you the actual number of faces in our current tracks.

kcid Wrote:4: How do I import the track to Vdrift? Like a car? Just export with the export script as one file? Put it in a track folder and try to run it?

Check out this post:
http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=238

Once your track is modelled, I'm going to have to write you a better export script (so you don't have to export one object at a time). Once we get the process worked out, you'd end up on the step "Open track editor /data/tracks/editor.config and set active track to TRACKEDITOR_TP" in the post I linked to above. One thing to keep in mind: make sure your texture names and object names are all lowercase and have no spaces.

Good luck!
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08-10-2006, 09:42 PM,
#6
 
kcid Wrote:1 units: When I build a car in blender every blender plane is 1 meter. If I was to build a racetrack and it has a long straight of about 1.2 miles (Daytona) then I just doesn't fit into blender. So shoud I just build a track on scale of 1:50 for example?

Make sure that prior to exporting the track, 1 blender unit is 1 meter. 1.2 miles is about 2000 meters... I would be very surprised if blender can't handle that.

kcid Wrote:2: Do I make the track as 1 total model like a body of a car, I mean that if I go into edit mode everything is the same object?

No, don't make the whole track the same object. Break up the track into separate objects in a way that makes sense (i.e. a single object for a single tree). In addition, break up any large objects that A) take up a lot of space and B) have a lot of polys (more than a few hundred) into multiple objects, and break them up based on the location. For example, if you have a huge curvy road with thousands of faces, break it down into several smaller objects a few hundred meters at a time. The reason for doing all of this is because it will improve performance. VDrift does view frustum culling per object, which means that it doesn't draw objects that the camera isn't looking at. If the camera sees any part of the object, though, it draws the whole thing -- that's why you don't want a lot of big objects with lots of polygons; because you'll end up drawing the whole thing even if the camera is only looking at a small part of it. There are no limitations on the number of objects you break things down into, and VDrift can handle up to about 10,000 objects before you lose the performance advantage. Also note that only one texture can be assigned to each object (UV-mapped like with cars), but different objects can share the same texture.

kcid Wrote:3: Do we have a approximate of how many faces I can use for a track?

For a fast track, try to keep under 10K or 20K faces on the screen at any time. For the whole track I'd say keep it under 100K faces. These are just guesses; I'll try to get you the actual number of faces in our current tracks.

kcid Wrote:4: How do I import the track to Vdrift? Like a car? Just export with the export script as one file? Put it in a track folder and try to run it?

Check out this post:
http://vdrift.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=238

Once your track is modelled, I'm going to have to write you a better export script (so you don't have to export one object at a time). Once we get the process worked out, you'd end up on the step "Open track editor /data/tracks/editor.config and set active track to TRACKEDITOR_TP" in the post I linked to above. One thing to keep in mind: make sure your texture names and object names are all lowercase and have no spaces.

Good luck!
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